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@ bizpro

Well, I have in my actual contestgame an AI that has discovered america, but found nothing! He droves after me, I was the first one to find america. But there is one white mark, that is definetly not from me, because I don´t drive to this place! I discovered this case the first time. Maybe it was earlier too, but I didn´t watch on it, esspecially not in the mediteranian sea ...

@ hulk

Yes, it is. You know, if you cklick on one of your things, you have the 2 options auction or destroying. If you click first on one of your businesses and then with a fast double click to one of the AI you have the same option know with this AI businesses. Destroying goes with this trick everytime. Auction goes only, if you are in the guild of the town.
It ist also important, that this trick does function only business to business and house to house.

The AI could be very helpfull on the start, because you can´t supply everything. Later that status decreased, because you havemore and more own. However, it is a cind of individual playing and there is no strictly good or bad.

Here the original Table
Beer. . . . . . . 52 . . . . . . 26
Iron ore/Pig iron. . . . 1605 . . . . .. 670
Iron goods . . . 400 . . . . .. 220
Skins . . . . . 1048 . . . . .. 510
Fish. . . . . . 660 . . . . .. 344
Meat . . . . ....1425 . . . . .. 724
Grain . . . . ...164. . . . . . . 91
Spices. . . . . 420 .. . . . .. 245
Hemp . . . . . . .450 .. . . . .. 370
Timber. . . . . . . 82 . .. . . . . 47
Honey . . . . . .172 . . . . . . 84
Pottery. . . . . 261 . . . . .. 150
Leather. . . . . 339 . . . . .. 170
Pitch. . . . . . . 82 . . ... . . . 53
Salt. . . . . . . ..42 ... . . . . . 22
Whale oil . . . . . 127 . . . . . . 72
Cloth . . . . . . 320 . . . . .. 176
Wine . . . . . 339 . . . . .. 184
Wool . . . . . 1338 . . . . .. 671
Bricks . . . . . 122 . . . . . . 63

I Use only the easy version. One ship in Reval is trading skins and iron goods. The captain has 5 Points for trading. This gives about 3.000 cash per day.

Taking up to seven ships in the same Habor the Amout wil multiplicate.

1. Sell skins , 2. Buy Skins , 3. Sell skins , 4.......

But to install a cascade like this is out of my actual possibilites.

I noticed this statement by Patrician Jr. in the "progress report 1300" thread:

Zitat

Why do so many players disregard the importance of CV in this contest? It appears that the majority is mesmerized by population and forgets the real point maker, the CV.

Please let me make a comment on this.
The company value is definately not the real point maker in this contest!
The most important factor are the inhabitants in your Hanseatic League.
Today's formula has a special - let's say - "trick" to avoid having a too important CV. Please notice:
The points you gained with your CV cannot be higher than 1,5 times the points you gained from your population.
You see, the CV points are strictly limited.

If you do not have enough inhabitants, you cannot make a lot of points with money!


I do know that "contest strategies" do not seem to be a very good place for this, but the "progress report" threads should be kept clean, I think.
I didn't choose making the comment via PM, because it may be useful for other English players for whom it could be difficult to find out about the restriction of CV points in the formula.

Zitat

While CV is limitted by population, the amount of points allocated to CV is still higher.

That's completely true and I don't want to say anything against that.

My general opinion is:
It is easy for a player to increase his CV value to a very high level without doing anything for growing population.
But if you succeed in establishing a permanent and high immigration to your Hanseatic League, your CV will increase nearly automatically.

What I wanted to express with my statement was just:
You need a successfull game to "unlock" high CV points.

I don't have the experience to be able to talk about games and calculations for 1304 - I'm not that far in the game.
So take my own savegame of 1300 as an example:
Amselfass 1300
PPL: 58.000
CV: 12.000.000
Points for PPL: 250
Points for CV: 375 --> this is the limited maximum for my PPL

We all see that I got more points for my CV than for my population.
But it could have been better if I - in theory - had been as good as e. g. Arno.
Arno 1300
PPL: 78.000
CV: 11.000.000
Points for PPL: 450
Points for CV: 675 --> this is the limited maximum for Arno's PPL

The consequence is: the better you play concerning the population, the higher your points for CV will be.
Only concentrating on the CV (at least in the first years) is dangerous.
If I player can reach a CV of 30.000.000 at the end of 1300, but only a PPL of 51.000, he will get less CV points than me and Arno for a much higher CV than the others have.

@Patrican Jr.

Dont worry about not geting the LM in 1300 You miss only additional points witch are not included in the Normal contest result.

It's the first contest I play. But I'm Playing Patrician since first version. Before I played the older versions. My Avatar is from "Hanse" the first Patican game ever programmed by Asc(ar)on. I played it in 1990.