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How do NPTs work with generating whale oil? Normally whale oil always has fish as an inefficient product in the same town, but NPTs don't seem to have inefficient products. With oil, do you generate a town with three efficient goods and also an inefficient one, or does it not show up but the whalers still make fish ... ?

Is there a way to get the forum to host pictures or must they be put on external sites?

When producing a lack of grain, hemp and a third good of your choice, you can even create a production town with five productions: meat and leather, whale oil and fisch and a fifth one.

Zitat

Is there a way to get the forum to host pictures or must they be put on external sites?

This forum has no feature to host your own images activated, so they must be linked to from an external server.

Hessen in the lead?

Well, with a strong showing in 1300, I'm going to back Man of the C to lead New World to victory

Unless Baltic Trader beats him to it ...

Yep, walls are on the menu with approval in Gotenburg already. In London, I've been dumping a load of BFG in there, expanded the church, built the wells and roads, but not much movement on the beggars towards the businesses yet. (9 brick,2wood,1 smelter) Pop 1700's. Sept. will bring the vote for the wall expansion.

"Well, with a strong showing in 1300, I'm going to back Man of the C to lead New World to victory"
Thanks for the props. I read the threads to day and I felt like I would probably pull you guys down in the standings! I will be nowhere near your values in 1300. I think BT is way out in front of me.

Starstruck, I will gladly take any I can get. I do feel like I'm behind the learning curve in 3 areas: arbitration set-up, convoy management, and trade route set-up's. It seems to take me a long time to set up one simple trade route. I know I have good data from this site and the excel sheets, and the submitted entries, but I am very slow in analysis and applying it to the game. Once I know what I'm supposed to do, I enjoy it alot but the planning does get to be a challenge. I find myself micro-managing a bit to much because the flow of the game is so new to me. That's how I felt in the July month. I concentrated on some things and others slipped right by. Aug is going better but I really do not have a grasp on the "suppling the towns so they grow properly and with satisfaction" component. I'm trying to keep it simple, but that is a challenge.

It's funny, I've ignored developing anything in Stettin and everyone is satisfied or above!

Man of the C, you're being very pessimistic! You're at the same stage I was when I started playing this competition, except ... well, technically my submitted save was my third game on this map (I played out of Bremen early before I read we had to play from the starting save, then I got to October before restarting after I discovered the technique of manual arbitrage and decided cash was nice).

But you're doing better than I was in July ... and have the benefit of seeing everyone else's games

[edit: rechecked the stats - definitely ahead of me at July 1, but pretty similar at August 1. You're not picking up as many ships as me - I was taking every escort, patrol and pirate mission in sight! Still picking up more ships than most though, unless yours are whites rather than blacks?]

And I know that, if I had built merchant houses a month earlier instead of concentrating on production (rule misunderstanding) & mints (they don't do anywhere near as much as I thought - in fact when I look at my progress records for towns with/without I often wonder if they do anything at all ) then I would have had an extra couple of % rich & wealthy for 1300.

For London, if you want to attract beggars, make the poor unhappy or just barely satisfied (Just barely satisfied works best, but is very hard to achieve without making them too satisfied, so unhappy is usually a good choice). It sounds crazy, but it's waaay cheaper to grow an unhappy town than a happy one - 6 beer per day brings in lots of beggars (since you're cash rich - aka arbitrage - buy all the beer on the market, donate 6, then sell the rest again ). If the people are happy you can have to donate 30, 50, or more . Which quickly becomes expensive! Maybe that should be in the tips & tricks actually, not sure if it's standard practise or just something I discovered.

BTW, if you get very happy people for the new year, it'll be 3-4 weeks before you can get them unhappy again in 1301 .

I wouldn't worry about walls till 1301 myself. Too many other uses for bricks, like merchant houses. The happiness penalty for having small walls seems, well, small. But if you're LM of a town, I would invest in two new port bombards if you're not fully using the build-queue with other things - 40 bricks, timber and IG gives a cheap and noticeable addition to happiness, that won't get destroyed when you do eventually expand the town walls.

Trade-routes: I never did set up any, only convoys. I traded everything manually, and still had lots of white ships that helped out until I got enough goods stockpiled to make the convoys run efficiently - late October or November. Then the whites just annoyed me, but I didn't wipe them out till 1301. Pick up enough ships from pirates, and your convoys will supply the Hanse without problems, with enough left over for meditteranean runs, outrigging and miscellaneous duties.

Baltic Trader's probably the one to talk to about arbitrage. He picked up the sort of cash in June 1300 that I didn't see till March 1301 . I have no idea how.

The only secret I can give to this contest is the obvious one - the only day that counts is December 31. Wasa topped the (current) table by building up a Hanse that was happy and rich for months on end and nice and stable. I narrowly got in behind him by building an unhappy poor Hanse that no-one in their right mind would want to live in, then cleaning it up at the last minute for the landlord to come and check over the new year ...

'course, that does have one big disadvantage. Under normal circumstances I would have asked for a full review of my submitted game for feedback. But my December 31 save looks absolutely nothing like my Hanse pre-mid-December or post-mid-January. So there wasn't much point

BTW, I don't have the German to join in the discussion over there, but I have the same "can't auction someone else's property in XXX" problem that x9jaan has reported in the German thread equivalent to this one.

In my case, I can auction most properties, but a sheep farm in Danzig and a house in Bergen are refusing to go under the hammer (I get the message "do you want to auction this for ..." but then it doesn't appear in the guild list of auctions.

I know the Danzig property got put on auction by me a few times, and I kept on missing the date and so someone else bought it. Not sure if I ever put the Bergen house on auction before, but that may be somehow related to the problem.

Zitat

I believe it could be triggered by an auction overflow. I try not to have more than 3 auctions staged at any time.

That's the same problem I refer to; I have used the auctioning trick to pick up buildings from London, Brugge, etc.

I don't think it's an auction overflow, unless there's some wierd delayed effect from previously overfull queues. The first time that I noticed the sheep farm in Danzig failed to join the auction queue, the auction queue was empty. I tried again after putting a competitor's merchant house in London up for auction. I tried later with three buildings in the queue. In all cases the Danzig sheep farm wouldn't go into the auction queue.

I haven't tried switching computers yet, but presumably it's somehow a property of the savegame since I regularly restart Patrician and/or save/load games. As such if you want a savegame with the problem, I can send you one.

Zitat

After the trade office is built you can still do around 80 cycles/day.

Mmm ... why does a trade office change things? Isn't it still once cycle (buy/sell) every two ticks?

The TO difference: With the trade office active, the window changes to ship-town, ship office (etc) view when you select the market to sell the purchased goods. When you go back to the auto trade activation step to move the sequence up to the buy cycle, you have to re-open the window now, because it closed in the previous step. This adds additional clicks to your manual trade and hence slows you down on the toal amount of trade you can do in a day. BT either has a callouse on this palm, one on his thumb or on the tip of his fingers depending upon the way he moves the mouse. I have the first, but I see a trackball coming with my next computer purchase.!

You sell manually through the market?

Ah, I guess I wasn't doing a traditional click-frenzy after all. I was just setting stage 1 of an autoroute to buy (up to X) then stage 2 to sell (down to Y, and buy other goods so the ship stays occupied).

Then I just double clicked on the autoroute tickmark to cycle the ship between the stages every tick.

I tried selling manually, but my fingers got way too tired. Even with a double-click per tick, it's rather a lot of clicking.

I'm still missing something though. I never tried counting ticks per day myself, but I thought the autoroutes all clicked over at a set tick-mark in the game's time (and presumably you need to autoroute the buy phase to make money). Which, assuming it always took the same time for you to sell goods on the market, would again mean that you'd either do a complete cycle per tick (N per day), or one cycle per two ticks like me (ie N/2 per day), etc. A decrease from 94 to 80 isn't N to N/2 ...

Maybe my understanding of time ticks is screwed up.

Yep. Manually thru the market. Click on your ship, open the autoroute window and click the check on get the captain to buy the goods, then back to the market, open the market, click max(which will let you see the ratio of the buy and the sell, then manually sell it right then and back to the autoroute window to get them captain to buy it again. I tried it with one of yourships in your 1300 game, A33 Monstrocity in Reval(great name) and it was impressive. You also had a 5 pointer in Bruges which was doing over 2k a trade (skins). Just think if A33 was a convoy of 10 of those bad boys and sold 4500 goods a whack. Serious capitol. In the beginning, I helped me tremendously in Edinburg and Danzig with the first captains to get me going. I didn't manage it well, maybe 20 - 30 transactions a day when others are getting in 60-80, but it was a lot faster than other methods of cash production. Bizpro helped me understand the fineries of it. one of the big keys was to do it and know when you needed to quit to go do something else. Switching the top screen to ocean view from the town view helps a bunch. I was tempted in July to go back and restart the game with what I have learned so far but I'm going to just keep on. Recognizing you may not have used this in your game makes me even more impressed with your start!
That's why my right palm has a callouse on it now!