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Hi,

Nice to see some early standings / values. I'm not sure I understand how they've been calculated though, to me they seem to differ from the (english) contest details.

1. Satisfaction
The satisfaction level for all three social groups (starting towns only) will be determined by allocating 6 for very happy, 5 for happy, 4 for very satisfied, 3 for satisfied, 2 for unsatisfied and 1 for annoyed. If, i.e. the average for wealthy people in all starting towns is 4.6 and a player achieves 4.6 then (s)he will receive 100 points. For any decimal point above one bonus point will be awarded, for any decimal point below one point will be deducted. Example, average is 4.6, player A has an average of 4.8, (s)he gets 102 points. Player B has an average of 4.2; (s)he gets 96 points.

For, eg, Ugh!, he has:
Rich 1.4 above average
Wealthy 2.0 above average
Poor 1.5 above average

Shouldn't this mean 114, 120 and 115 points (instead of 156, 140 and 115)? It seems the bonus has been multiplied by 4 for rich and by 2 for wealthy, but this isn't mentioned in the details?


2. Social structure

The average of all starting towns and recognized new production towns will be computed and bonus points/deductions are determined based on the average of all saves sbubmitted for the year. Again, 100 points are attached to the average value. For each percent above the average (of all sumitted saves) value for wealthy and rich, the player receives 1(wealthy) or 2(rich) bonus point and, for each value below the average one point will be deducted. Example: Calculated average of all saves 70/20/10. Player A has 75% poor, 18% wealthy (-2) and 7% rich (-3) (S)he will receive 95 points. Player B has 63% poor, 22% wealthy(+2) and 15% rich (+10), (s)he will receive 112 points.

Sorry to Ugh!, but again using him as an example!

Rich: 1.3% above average, should mean he gets +2.6 points, ie 102.6 points? This seems to have been multiplied by 10 (126); ditto for the wealthy.


Not to complain about the system used, but it makes for a very different balance of targets to aim for - much less weight on production for one thing, and more weight on number of rich people than on happiness compared to the original description. Could someone clarify and perhaps update the english contest details?

Mmm ... reading the google translation of the German forum explains most of it, although it'd still be nice to get an update so the english contest rules match the German ones.

Could someone please explain/translate some things not clear in the google translation?

Re: Production -

"Into this category of the valuation also daily production flows into barrel also. The values readable for it are an indication for a balanced development of the Hanse, for the Zuwanderung and operating extent of utilization. Enterprises, which are working at full capacity to 50% for lack of Zuwanderung only and so also produce, achieve now times in this valuation not as high values as enterprises, which are working at full capacity with 80 or 100%."

I thought the productivity just took the production number in barrels from the stats. Is there some more to do with business utilisation/supply/balance, or is this not-quite-fully translated paragraph just rationale?

Re: Prohibitions
Prohibitions are Cheats like e.g. Geldcheats, Hexeditor, Hotseat mode or the like!

I understand Hexeditor and hotseat; should "Geldcheats" have translated to some form of "gold cheat"? I assume I'm not doing it anyway (nearly all my money comes from what I think is called here manual arbitrage, none of this making money from normal trading!) but it'd be nice to have a translation.

Thanks in advance ...

Hi,

The points match the description in the German forum. Note that the description for rich/poor makeup previous gave 1 point per 1%, it now gives 1 point per 0.1%, meaning that the two examples given before are seperated by 170 points, not 17 points (ie a tenfold change!)

Suggestions for changes:

The satisfaction level for all three social groups (starting towns only) will be determined by allocating 6 for very happy, 5 for happy, 4 for very satisfied, 3 for satisfied, 2 for unsatisfied and 1 for annoyed. If, i.e. the average for wealthy people in all starting towns is 4.6 and a player achieves 4.6 then (s)he will receive 100 points. For any decimal point above one bonus point will be awarded, for any decimal point below one point will be deducted. Points are awarded for each social group, and bonus points are multiplied by 2 for the wealthy and 4 for the rich. Example, average for rich is 4.6, player A has an average of 4.8, (s)he gets 108 points (2x4 = eight). Player B has an average of 4.2; (s)he gets 96 points.


The average of all starting towns and recognized new production towns will be computed and bonus points/deductions are determined based on the average of all saves submitted for the year. Again, 100 points are attached to the average value for both the wealth and rich classes. For each tenth of one percent above the average (of all sumitted saves) value for wealthy and rich, the player receives 1(wealthy) or 2(rich) bonus point and, for each value below the average one point will be deducted. Example: Calculated average of all saves 70/20/10. Player A has 75.0% poor, 18.0% wealthy (-20) and 7.0% rich (-30) (S)he will receive 150 points. Player B has 63.0% poor, 22.0% wealthy(+20) and 15.0% rich (+100), (s)he will receive 320 points.

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Originally posted by bizpro
BTW, if you don't trade, how do you keep your people happy, or do you leave it up to the AI, like me? (It doesn't really work, that's why the satisfactyion in my game is the pits)

I do trade, I just mean I haven't been pricing my sales as a means of generating money - just as a means of unloading "acceptable" amounts of items.

Although my happiness actually seems to have gone down over the last two game months ... I'm replaying, and was at an average across classes of nearly 4 happiness in August, I'm now in mid-October and at around 3-3.5 (don't have the savegame on this computer so can't remember precisely). I have noticed that it's so much easier to attract beggers when your people are unhappy - very counter-intuitive - I got a bit short of timber, and dragged 150 workers into timber yards in "depressed" Edinburgh in less than a month, while still exporting beer!

I was thinking that the seperation between players due to happiness/class basis would only be worth 20-40 points, so productivity would be very significant, and I've been focusing on getting production up (first time through I was at about 800 barrels come December, I'm now close to that in mid-October). But with social structure worth 10 times as many points as I'd thought, I'm going to have to re-evaluate somewhat.